The upgrade will probably be a change of name knowing GB plc. Will be used in accordance with our privacy policy, BFBS, Chalfont Grove, Narcot Lane, Gerrards Cross, Buckinghamshire, SL9 8TN Challenger 2 upgrade on offer from BAE Systems. Yes, fully aware of CAT being the parent company. Should have proper dummy socket stowage to stop the cable plug getting chopped off! that we already have parts for mechanics trained on? Germany and indeed Poland might need hundreds of main battle tanks. Good for them. The problem with remotely operated vehicles is they can have their communications easily disrupted. “Challenger 2 has been in service without a major upgrade since 1998. And please don't worry, your report will be anonymous. As for manning, I’d rather have a bruising 60 ton tank than… Read more ». 120 tanks is more than 50-60 tanks! The base armour of a Leopard 2 is bloody thin compared to a Challys base armour. I understand your responses, but the MBT is not dead nor will it be any time soon. It’s so embarrassing! Of course all democratic peoples are reluctant to face potential aggression when it begins to surface (which is a very reassuring opening reaction), whether American, British, German, Japanese or whoever, but they do face their commensurate responsibilities when required:- America has never stopped umbrella-ing us all within NATO and beyond; Britain did it’s best for Europe, and is clearly still having that discussion… Read more », Gavin, you, as an individual, may feel like it’s time for Germany to forget it’s past Trauma, however it’s not up to you. Also typically, what little Railway capability we had has also been cut. As a culture we still revel in WW2 movies and video games, we still chant “2 world wars and 1 world cup” at football games, we still shout cries of “4th Reich” whenever we hear of increased German defence spending. The UK has a great… Read more », The UK Land Power site adds an extra dimension on this issue, from what I gather is an erstwhile insider; but the ultimate conclusion can still be summed up as, if we had more money….., though looks as if the Army could do with some outside help in coherent forward planning to me. Having more than enough some could be put in warm store then down the line exchanged for the mire worn ones prolonging service life before heavy overhaul required. Well it’s stated that the later versions of the Abraham’s tanks cost the US just shy of $9 million each. Upgrades are being sought to keep the tank battle-ready for the next twenty years, as part of the Ministry of Defence’s decision to extend the tank’s life until 2035. But there would be no cut in that would there Mod…. Decision on Challenger 2 tank upgrade to be taken in 2021. On Ashchurch, last I heard it had a stay of execution. Thank you Ulya. We’re the only NATO member with the means to secure that vast area via MPAs and strike aircraft in Scotland and ships and submarines in the Gap. He visited Telford for the launch of a new joint venture between the two defence companies that are hoping to deliver both programmes. Lance Corporal Mark MacKellar had the chance to be in it a Boxer lent to British Forces by the Dutch Army. It may also give the mod time to discuss extra funding from the treasury- we can dream, Depending on which site you read some have said the Chally will get the new smooth bore gun. RM, The Parachute Regiment, and the Gurkhas who have no recruitment issues, should be our rapid reaction, raiding forces, supporting DSF. From the published information I’ve seen, the Chally upgrade is primarily dealing with obsolescent sensors rather than upgrading the drive train or the gun. That would be sensible if the 130mm is around the corner then waiting a year or 2 would be best especially with a smaller fleet. Some idiot thought it should be closed with the vehicles moved at great expense to Germany! A lot of money has been spent creating humid free storage, so that should be a good argument to retain it. Someone has been selling them……. Although the Challenger 2 looked as it was visually a simple upgrade of the Challenger 1, both tanks had less than 3% of parts in common (as stated by Vickers in its promotional video, see below). The LEP forms the major component of the … Damed if they do, damed if they don’t. This apparently happened a lot. In-box reviews. In WWII, we didn’t win because we had better tanks- we won because we had plenty of spare ones that tank crews could jump into when their first one got hit. The Challenger 2 Life Extension Project (LEP) is a UK MOD contract to remove obsolescence from Challenger 2 and extend its out-of-service date by ten years to 2035. FYI, that ship has sailed France and Germany are already working on a new tank MGCS. Bid for Challenger 2 Upgrade Bid for Challenger 2 Upgrade Lockheed Martin UK is to bid for the Ministry of Defence’s contract to upgrade the British Army’s Challenger 2 tanks. Somewhere near Salisbury would be a better location! HET are essential. 350 to 500 MBTs will require more regiments of the RAC to operate them, or cut the Jackal and use the 3 Light Cavalry Regiments that operate it to re equip with more MBTs. “LONDON – Britain has fallen behind its allies and potential adversaries in key armoured combat vehicle capabilities and must do more to become a force to be reckoned with, Defence Secretary Penny Mordaunt has warned.”, https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/06/05/will-the-stars-finally-align-to-upgrade-britains-obsolete-tanks/, “Britain declined the opportunity to buy a fleet of German tanks due to “worry about negative press headlines,” a defence source has claimed. Spot on Daniele. Ideally, the tank should be designed with more autonomy, so crew numbers can be reduced, but that would require an all new tank. The idea the UK won’t deploy large numbers of battle tanks in the future, is to forget our recent history. We need more reach, more ships and air power, in order to project an offensive capability. They have also not been challenged in the air for a long time The army however has to prepare for a number of threats from top and bottom end, each requiring different kit within a really tight budget. The powerplant is being upgraded by caterpillar by adding a new common rail – basically tuning up the existing engine at least 1500hp is achievable. Respect! A decision on how many of the Army’s Challenger 2 tanks will be upgraded will not be made until 2021. Last year, BAE showcased its prototype for the upgraded Challenger 2, the Mark 2 Demonstrator, nicknamed the 'Black Night'. I still believe it would be expedient to augment the CH2-LEP’s with refurbished M1’s, up to say, 200 hulls? © 2014-2019 UK Defence Journal, all rights reserved. Are tanks really what we need more of in this modern era? Will be interesting how much the MoD gets milked for this, considering by then we will have 2 Regiments left. But improve the enablers and other logistics. Originally a total of seven major American and European defence companies have answered the British request for upgrade proposals for the CR2. Company Limited by Guarantee. we have withdrawn from continental Europe both physically and now politically. 2021, that seems like an awful long time to procrastinate. The Challenger 2 tank, built by BAE Systems in the 1990s, served in Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq. Therefore, the vehicle will need a very high level of artificial intelligence. You can say what you think it needs but until the underlying trauma… Read more ». 1/16 Scale UK Challenger II Battle Tank Upgrade Edition by Heng Long - RTR - HLG3908-001 Having distinguished itself in the Gulf War and other deployments, the Challenger II remains the apex of British tank technology. We should also build up 16AA, as they should still be used for plugging gaps and attacking the rear etc. In it the “HET” Heavy Equipment Transporters are discussed. I am convinced that the strike brigade concept can be made to work, but it needs investment and the right kit i.e. The issues will come if we don’t upgrade the power plant. Same with Donnington. However, I still believe we need a credible heavy force and yes a strike brigade. But it would be naive (and unfortunately I think is the case) that we’re looking at this from the lens of Iraq and Afghanistan, when we didn’t lose a single MBT. What is disappointing are the numbers to be upgraded, possible only 130-150? I think the MBT is still relevant and numbers matter. Silly idea!!! As well as removing obsolescence, there will be the opportunity to make further capability enhancements. You know, that is an argument that I’ve somehow not come across before and it’s actually a very good one! Each time the turret is braked it should recover enough energy to boil around one and a quarter kettles.. Just look at some of the reactions to the idea that Germany and France might want to co-operate on an aircraft carrier. This all feeds into the… Read more ». It’s compelling that the mish mash of opposition forces in Syria are using both Russian, Chinese and Western ATGM. Challenger 2 is an excellent Main Battle Tank with an impressive operational track record. I’m sure they looked at it before, possibly still are? You don’t just have to drive/operate them. Keep the heavy stuff the size it is. Yeah,Poland has thousands of MBTs but there on the Russian border so the polish think they need them, we British are pulling out of Germany and our tank numbers totally reflect that, it’s a Shame though, but we will still be keeping tanks in Germany for ages yet. We’re therefore, theoretically, going to need multiple tanks… Read more ». Asbestos problem has closed Aschurch, with all the housing built round it this could be a problem. It appears we are at least aware of the current problem? Were like to be fitting equipment that is already becoming dated. 233480. Where’s the power for all of these new gubbins coming from? Also agree about the smooth bore, rifled barrels are more accurate, this will give our tanks the edge in battle, we have to stick with this. Therefore as long as we have enough HET to get tanks to the port surely that’s enough. all wheeled. It is good to see the only high end war fighting division improved with the Warrior CSP, the Challenger 2 upgrade and the CVRT replacement AJAX. Just look what happened to the Turks with their Leopard tanks in northern Syria. That would safeguard British engineering jobs. KNDS is a merger between KMW and Nexter and it was finalized in 2015. Since 2008, Challenger 2 tanks have constantly been undergoing modernization work, with a number of upgrade packages being developed. It is like if only the superficial envelope was kept. Sadly not that many Challys. Publisher. Gearbox and final drive life would suffer, perhaps German leopard transmission would then be required as this is rated for 1500 hp! Please be advised, Russia, Challenger will no be able to confront you till at least 2015, so u have plenty of time . We are down from 384 to just over 300 total stock. I don’t disagree, I’ve no idea how it would be funded. 70 units have already been scrapped. In 2019 the then defence secretary, Penny Mordaunt, went as far as to suggest it was obsolete. 16AA has had bits of its CS and CSS removed. Challenger 2 ATDU is a fictional name given to the Challenger 2 Megatron for the game Armored Warfare. This has been dragging on for 10 years now. Though we couldn’t quite bring ourselves to retire the whole fleet, numbers were cut to just 227. And then everyone will cry that the gov isn’t protecting British jobs and Tank manufacturing. Rapid deployability is important but if your fighting unit is not up to the task of fighting want you are up against you rapidly lose. Geen van onze partnerwinkels of leden heeft dit momenteel te koop. The vehicle was originally designed and manufactured by BAE Systems and entered service in 1998. They will take the boiling vessel away,no more tea. merger between Rheinmetall and BAE Systems Land UK, showcased its prototype for the upgraded Challenger 2, Support Worker - Residential/Supported Living Support Staff. Hard to keep any tank fully fit 50 -60 Abrams would equate to 25 – 30 usable with good supply chain. After fitting they didn’t lose one crew member. The British Army is woefully equipped concerning air defence, with 2 regular regiments left. It will also see the companies continue to support other battle-winning combat vehicles such as Warrior, Trojan and Terrier. fitting common rail to the perkins as proposed by BAE to increase power would require the rear of the tank chopped out to fit a hydraulic fan drive cooling system as in the titan and trojan to get rid of the extra heat. “China tests anti-ship missile in South China Sea, Pentagon says” https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/03/asia/south-china-sea-missile-test-intl-hnk/index.html. The German people still struggle heavily with this, and over the last 80 odd years have developed a massive pacifist streak as a result. In collaboration with Elbit Systems UK, Lockheed Martin UK will submit a proposal to undertake the Life Extension Project (LEP) that will see the main battle tanks in service until 2035. Smooth bore guns are of relatively basic engineering and we already have the next generation munitions technologies. MoD is trying to plug the usual short sighted cuts now. A new facility built near Salisbury would be the best solution with the Aschurch land sold off to fund a new site once it is cleaned up. Especially coming out of the EU. The attrition rate of a modern land conflict would see most vehicles in direr need of attention very quickly, and a fleet of 500 could be the minimum number, not the maximum? Plus if things get bad and we are actually at war damage to our roads would be the least of our worries. Yes, I agree we should build up our Navy and Airforce. No rush then! With heavy equipment a lot of it is about having it available in store when needed rather than being in constant use all the time. Warminster houses the LWC training fleet. Challenger 2 lethality improvement programme. Daniele, Gabs website is top notch, and like him I have severe issues with the mish mash of equipment, both wheels and tracks, in the so called strike Brigade. “Accelerated fightability” It is an excellent example. Precisely Watcherzero. It would be likely be 2021 until they are ready anyway. I bet all those unused ATGMs have ended up all over the world by now. Another possibility is allowing you to deploy them to different locations and simply move the men around and not have to move their vehicles. Of course, it won’t dawn on them that the tanks could be rotated during exercises and such. However they aren’t as glamourous and therefore don’t get as many shiny items which politicians like to stand next to for a photo op, or put on lists in the daily mail. It is a military fudge, directed by politicians to try to fit the kit to the role, not the role to the kit. Registered in England No. She noted: "Challenger 2 has been in service without a major upgrade since 1998. Speaking to Forces TV here, the Minister made clear that the announcements will be made at the beginning of 2021. Four-hundred-and-fifty jobs are to be sustained by the merger between Rheinmetall and BAE Systems Land UK, with the venture being based in Telford, in the West Midlands. “Accelerated fightability”? It would perhaps be better to build a new storage facility if the land is high value. The best of British engineering combined with the best of German engineering, I dare say it’d be something special. Modern electronics should reduce the power demand quite substantially, theres also the regenerative braking being added on the turret. The tank should still be able to compete against the latest T90s and still… Read more ». Yes, but we didnt have the technology or the capability back then, id rather have 150 first rate tanks then 500 2nd or 3rd rate tanks, capability lets us stand shoulder to shoulder with the yanks on a first day of war, not lots of average equipment, I wish we could afford capability and good numbers, but that’s the world we live in, and the defence budget can only go so far. Er zijn geen in-box reviews bekend Challenger-2 Upgrade Set ~Trumpeter~ (#A053) van Accurate Armour. It is what it is, a massive depot for our great army and should stay that way! Just read on Janes that the decision to delay is to conduct further studies on replacing the main gun. A question for the experts, would it not be a better option to purchase these rather than upgrading the Chally? Upgrades are being sought to keep the tank battle-ready for the next twenty years, as part of the Ministry of Defence’s decision to extend the tank’s life until 2035. Why do all these interesting places get replaced by bloody housing estates? The upgraded tank will be referred to as Challenger 2 Mark 2. The Challenger lethality improvement programme aims to upgrade the main gun of Challenger 2 from its current 120mm L30A1 rifled gun to the 120mm Rheinmetall L55 smoothbore gun currently used by the Leopard 2 A6. I’m a long time served army guy and I agree. The old place may be a rambling bunch of sheds but it is a remarkable establishment. This is why I question the whole deal. That means air power, and ships. Active Protection System – Systems allow the tank to detect incoming anti-tank missiles or armour penetrating rounds and automatically launches a counter-explosive to neutralise the threat. The UK is the same only on a smaller scale, but 150 MBT’s is too small, if the UK is drawn into a land conflict alongside the US. The new partnership, named Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land (RBSL), will see the companies combine their market-leading specialisms to compete on a global scale. I’d rather have a few more F35’s or T26’s or increased cyber security. Charity Registered in England No. I’d rather have 500 MBT’s at my disposal than 150. The company submitted its plans for Challenger 2 to the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and … Wiki states the budget for the challenger upgrade will be around £650 million, so in theory the budget could get us 50-60 new Abrams tanks in today’s money. But then do you give the decision of firing the weapon to the vehicle’s AI? It OS a very good point but the bean counters will choke on their digestives at the thought of 250/350 tanks just being kept in storage. Rocket science? This comes from a lack of leadership, vision and strategic decision making at the top of the MoD that is now starting to directly affect the combat capability they are supposed to be there to maintain and grow. In 2016, the UK Ministry of Defence awarded contracts worth £23m each to BAE Systems and Rheinmetall Landsysteme to lead teams to progress the Challenger 2 Life Extension Project (LEP) to the assessment phase, which ran until the end of 2018. Apparently RUSI have recommended some form of SP AA weapon to combat UAVs in the Strike Brigades too. ‘Black Night’: Could This Upgraded Challenger 2 Battle Tank Transform Warfare? The Boxer can reach speeds of up to 70 miles per hour. We have less than 100 left, 30 odd have been loaned to the US Army, and we have only 1 Tank Transporter Squadron. And that’s without addressing the power plant. Not a simple cut for the beancounters to make. The automatic positioning of the turret when a laser designator is detected sounds great – but what if a cunning opponent deploys a number of soldiers with small lasers at disparate points? Perkins is now owned by cat’ so that would be American, its a heavy large lump and should be replaced by the MTU engine which is smaller, lighter ,more powerful and uses less fuel. British Army Is Planning to Upgrade Just 148 of Its 227 Challenger 2 Tanks by David Axe Follow @daxe on Twitter L The British Army is planning to upgrade just 148 of its 227 Challenger 2 … Remember, the US is in truth, not a land power either, yet like the UK, it is asked to police abroad, and when required fight with MBT’s. To be fair to the Turks, the Leopards they lost were very basic 2A4s and did not have additional bar or ceramic armour. Move the Ajax back to the Armoured Brigades where they belong, and get Cannons, ATGW, and other variants in an all Boxer Strike Brigade, and we might be in business. The threat of a land war has not reseeded, in truth, it’s possibly closer than we think? The Black Night vehicle is a proposed upgrade for the British Army's Challenger 2, a tank which has served in Iraq and Kuwait and which defence chiefs are planning to … The Challenger 2 advanced technology demonstrator unveiled by RBSL at DSEI features a new Rheinmetall turret armed with the L55 gun, a new Thales commander’s and gunner’s stabilised day/night sights, a computerised fire control system, and all-electric gun control equipment. Nevermind recovery variants, bridgelayer etc. Possibly the very large point class vessels we have for moving heavy armour? Most of the development work for the upgrade was done in 2018 so by 2021 will be 3 years old already, and that just the decision to be made how long to complete the upgrade? German manufacturer Krauss-Maffei Wegmann offered to sell between 100 and 400 second-hand Leopard 2 tanks to the Ministry of Defence in 2015, but despite it being allegedly the best deal, the offer was turned down.”, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ministry-of-defence-mod-german-tank-deal-manufacturer-krauss-maffei-wegmann-leopard-2-tank-fear-a7510681.html. Mate, the Respect is all to you, believe me. This has led to a focus on infantry equipment rather than front line battlefield vehicles. They have also been tested time and time… Read more », Germany isn’t “getting it’s finger out” because it’s stingy. upgrading the challenger is a waist of time tell bae to get off there asses and build a new one russia has, We have been in need of this upgrade for CR2 for a long time. After all, why would we need to build up our armed forces at little more than a snail’s pace? Keep numbers roughly as is, as we are not a land power, and beef up the RN, RAF, RM, UKSF, and intelligence assets instead. … I believe the powerplant is being addressed by uprating the existing Rolls Royce condor v12 this is being handled by the contract with caterpillar. Rheinmetall has the 130mm gun, whilst BAE has the chassis, power unit (UK Manufactured Perkins), armour, Future Orders to invest in RaD…. We will leave that to the RA lol. It’s choice if we have the man power, they deliberately cut placements at sandhurst for example, our troop numbers are pure choice, we had army’s far bigger and tank numbers far far bigger not long ago. The Chally Blacknight fitted with the Iron Fist system is in my opinion better than the Trophy, in trials it has proven that it can deflect… Read more ». As an example the thermal imaging cameras have been used commercially for a few years already. # cked the vehicle ’ s AI that we already have the next munitions... 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