What if you lied at meps that you have never been diagnoised with depression made it through and became a marine..and what if later down the road you wanted a different mos that required a top secret security clearance could the us government check your medical records and disqualify you from that specific mos and kick you out of the military? Not only is lying on the SCA (SF86) a crime - you also have fraudulent enlistment issues going on here. You need to come clean as soon as the opportunity arises. i had to go to court and the judge dismissed the case. I lied at meps. Here’s why. i know alot of people lie at meps about past medical stuff and get away with it but my situation is different. ... Then, never mind the secret clearance -- you're lucky if they don't give you a dishonorable discharge right after you get in --- IF you even get that far. And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. You would be a PRIME candidate to blackmail for secrets, because you would have a LOT to lose if the Marines found out from an "anonymous source" that you lied to enlist. Cookies help us deliver our Services. With the debt levels thing, do they keep checking your credit report over and over until you receive your clearance or is it just the one time at MEPS? I … I omitted information at MEPS. Every one gets a clearance if they are accepted in the service. There is a point very early in basic training where the point of no return is passed. I had just gotten out of a highly toxic relationship with someone I had loved very much. You might still have a problem but it’s no bigger than the problem you have now. Please read this very closely, because it is the most important thing anyone has ever told you about this subject. The recruiter will say "I never told him/her not to tell the truth." That means the forms you fill out are just the beginning. What should I do tell the whole truth and not worry about them kicking me out or switch jobs now and not even try for a ts clearance. I'm about to join the Army, i got a 92 on the ASVAB and have been looking at doing an intel job that requires a tss...I smoked weed twice four years ago but i told MEPS that i have never done drugs. lied about medical at meps, navy jobs require top secret clearance. It's not about whether it was criminal - it's not criminal to go bankrupt, for instance, but if you lied about never having gone bankrupt and they found out you would almost certainly be … I am going into the marines and have a contract to go to security school where you need a TS if you complete it. When I went up to meps a few weeks ago I lied about my criminal history, saying I never got arrested. They will go 2 steps removed for at least some people on the SF-86, basically to dig into information about drug use and undocumented foreign travel. The second intent they drug tested me and came back positive for cocaine I used it once and it happened to be within a couple days of the suicidal intent happened. Nearly every recruiter will try to convince you to lie because they don't give a shit about you and they suffer zero repercussions when you get caught. Well, you already did it. Top Secret Security Clearance? I'm heading back to meps to redo my physical and get the job i want, last time they did not have mine and I havent heard anything from them about … I don’t think that it’s hopeless though. When I was at MEPS I told the lady that was processing me that I had been to Belize for a couple days on a cruise, and she didn't care at all. You'll be fine. Now that you have already lied. He was informed at that time that the FBI criminal background investigation discovered the juvenile felony conviction. Now I'm freaking out. Some people seem to think that if they pick a job that only requires a secret security clearance, no one will ever find out about their lie because the background check won’t be as thorough. MEPS – Military Entrance Processing Station; The Delayed Entrance Program (DEP) ... honest people and will not tell you to lie about your background, but there are always stories of those that encourage recruits to leave out negative medical history or drug use. On the flip side, fraudulent enlistment is not normally pressed if a recruit volunteers the information early. help!? The investigators and adjudicators know that many recruiters will tell kids to lie filling out their forms. And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. Going to Mexico is not a big deal at all. I havent been declared mentally incompetent but since the first intent on suicide was under 18 they forced me to go to a psychiatric hospital for 11 days. You guys definitely calmed my nerves. Hello Marines, I have a bit of a problem. The job/clearance isn't worth all that. i went through meps last week and passed the physical but i lied about two things. Everyone I asked told me not to say anything about it so I didn't. Lied at meps now need TS clearance - SECURITY CLEARANCE Q&A - ClearanceJobs Blog. You will be DQ at MEPS because they have to. Standard Tier 5 investigation used for Top Secret clearances = $5,188. I would just tell the people at MEPS. just chill. I did the same thing and my job (CT) required a clearance. I DEP'd in back in October of last year, and am set to ship in August. Here is the essential information. It’s not a matter of “telling your branch”. i already know that lying is wrong, especially if it is to get into the military. Your recruiter is dishonest and too lazy to complete the required waivers - you will need to tell someone else at MEPS.’. Dude doesn’t need to be anywhere near a clearance. im 17 and shipping out july 23 2012. when i was 16 i was caught with a hypodermic syringe i left in my gym bag in school which i used for steroids ( took them only for a couple weeks to try it, i was stupid ). For a top secret clearance they could go and talk to his old friends, and they could give him a lie detector test. In the mMEPS they'll ask if you've had them...if they weren't a big deal I'd just be honest...for a top secret clearance they're gonna most likely find out anyways...my recruiter had me lie about a ticket I'd gotten right before going up, but I wasn't shooting for tsc 01-01-2013, 12:56 PM #45. zerab. The RCMP does not give lie-detector tests to employees undergoing top-level security screenings despite federal rules that require such examinations, The Canadian Press has learned. Ok, so before I went to MEPS, my recruiter told me that they don't know what you don't tell them. Expect your medical health conditions to be closely analyzed if you are in a position that requires a lot of trust or advanced physical fitness. They interview family members, employers, school teachers, friends, and they DIG. I had adhd as a kid but I stopped taking meds for it almost 5 years ago. If you lie during a Federal investigation and get caught, Title 18 US Code Section 1001 provides that knowingly falsifying or concealing a material fact is a felony which will result in fines or imprisonment. They care more about debt levels than anything else. This is why I love the reddit community. Press J to jump to the feed. But not my 5 mph ticket as it was only 100$ or 80$ idk but they took it off my record and points due to it being my first offense and completing a course. I have pre existing conditions that are PDQ but I want to join the Navy and get a top secret clearance I dont have a problem with these conditions anymore,so should I keep my mouth shut? I was just being a stupid teenager. there done deal. Should I just come clean or will I get discharged for a fraudulent enlistment? No I haven't smoked for over a year. I admit that I lied at MEPS, and want to know if 1)If going for a TS Clearance, they will check my medical records, and 2) If I talk to my recruiter and try and get a waiver for foot pain I had when I was 14 (I'm 17 now), can I get one? Okay, i lied at MEPS about my medical history, over 10 years ago I had A.D.D. Doesnt really matter since its all based on Need to Know. If you come clean, you only risk losing your clearance. He qualified for Navy Cryptographic Technician and was guaranteed his Apprenticeship school. If you are going for a TOP secret clearance a full background investigation will be done. Saying anything now will definitely get you into shit, so your only hope now is that they don't find out during your investigation. and what If I cancel my medical insurance and say I dont have a current medical doctor could they still find out? Show that you are trustworthy. So can someone clarify this process. That's pretty dumb. It will still go to my service branch and will most likely get me a fraudulent enlistment due to lying at meps? They'll call up the references you listed, but not much more than that. It does not matter that the recruiter “told” you to lie. Obviously I will tell them about my felony charge. I was just wondering if you were to bend the truth at meps to keep something on your medical record concealed to prevent an automatic DQ. I’ve held a Secret security clearance now for 6 1/2 years… I can’t/don’t want to keep this in my upcoming investigation, and really want to continue serving. There needs to be far more discipline in that area but it will help to mitigate your issue. I want to join the Marine Corps, and join embassy duty. A Top Secret Clearance with the ... be denied if you conceal information. Just make sure that your "failry" truthful in that and you should be fine. They will overlook many things, but if they find out you lie to them, and they dig very deep for a TS, they will deny you very quickly. The job I want requires a top secret clearance. For a top secret clearance they could go and talk to his old friends, and they could give him a lie detector test. Rule #3: Don't be in a position to use Rule #2. I admit that I lied at MEPS, and want to know if 1)If going for a TS Clearance, they will check my medical records, and 2) If I talk to my recruiter and try and get a waiver for foot pain I had when I was 14 (I'm 17 now), can I get one? Your branch has nothing to do with it. Honesty is the BEST policy. I'm really worried, I hate lying to begin with. I went to "A" school right beside IT's they have gray Secret badges while CT's have blue Top Secret. Unless you have a loudmouth friend, you'll probably be just fine like most people are. ... you're allowed to keep your secret clearance, then you have a good chance of getting a top secret. I would just tell the people at MEPS. Come clean! I'm going into the Navy for IT hopefully or MA and havent been told that either of them need top secret clearance. I was nervous about doing this because I'd rather be honest but he said he got a TS security clearance and it was no big deal and that there's no way they can find out. I'm going into the Navy for IT hopefully or MA and havent been told that either of them need top secret clearance. I have a top secret security clearance. The issues you discussed are not unusual and would probably be cleared (mitigated ) as part of the normal process — except if you lie on the SCA and especially to the investigator. So don't sweat the security clearance crap. This is where you provide your personal medical history to MEPS, the Military Entrance Processing Station. the first is having scoliosis. After MEPS I told the recruiter about the situation stated above, and he said the paperwork concerning drug use could not be changed, and to not worry about it because I was never arrested, it wasn’t in the last 45 days and they only care about if … I wouldn't worry about anything in your pre-screening though. They will check your finances, military and police records as well as past acquaintances that you may have forgotten about. Should I keep my mouth shut at MEPS? You are 100% eligible for a waiver. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. “My recruiter told me to lie, ... DD Form 2807-2, or the Medical Pre-Screen form. I lied about the fact that I had ear infections (idk why I did this I just figured they wouldn't find out). You also committed enlist fraud. I told my recruiter that i had tried weed and i told him that i wanted to tell the truth but he insisted on me lying and I listened to him. Enlisted into the military at 18 years old. So even if I completely clean and do not lie on my sf86 and to the investigator. When he told me not to tell MEPS, I told him I wasn't going to lie. Do not lie to MEPS. Now, Public Trust investigations too have the standard and priority options. Could you give us an update on what happened? It’s the DoD that holds your clearance, not your branch and it’s the DoD that will be adjudicating your new clearance. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. You might make it through MEPS, but you probably won't make it through your clearance. I ended up telling the interviewer in the final interview about it (right before I finished a school) and she made me write a statement explaining why I lied. So, my recruiter basically told me to lie at MEPS about ever smoking weed. I know plenty of people who lied about stuff for their investigations. Should you tell the truth on the sf 86 security clearance forms because they do a thorough background investigation and will find out if you lied about anything? Expect your medical health conditions to be closely analyzed if you are in a position that requires a lot of trust or advanced physical fitness. I dont take any medications and havent since about a year ago. Individual recruiters are not authorized or qualified to make medical or legal determinations. And really want my security job. A lot less than if you lied at MEPS, lied to OPM, and then get caught :) OK, seriously, I assume the question is about an SF-86 to get a security clearance. Every military MOS or rate, etc. AsparagusBerry. Cannot stress enough. I'm heading back to meps to redo my physical and get the job i want, last time they did not have mine and I havent heard anything from them about … MEPS and Top Secret Security Clearance? I was nervous about doing this because I'd rather be honest but he said he got a TS security clearance and it was no big deal and that there's no way they can find out. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. in reality, they don't dig THAT much into past relationships. Top Secret Security Clearance? If the recruiter tells you to lie; then don't join. My recruiter told me to lie, say nothing is wrong at all, and that nothing has ever happened to me in the past medically speaking, however, when i went to meps in december 2007, i found that i didn't really have to lie about anything and i didn't. Lied at MEPs about mental health history and drug history. Your recruiter just didn't want to do more paperwork. You did the right thing and many people who did get in, do lie at MEPS. There was some big spy back in the day who gave away all the ciphers for the entire Navy for like a decade.... Come clean now, throw your recruiter under the bus. My current friends would never say anything about it, but the problem is I have three, let's say enemies, who used to be my best friends in high school. You have to get one! If you can be mislead by a recruiter, how can you be trusted with secerts? I haven't really been able to find anything online about top secret clearances or about IT, it's great that so many people come here to offer their advice and after only 20 minutes of my posting the question! It happened 12 years ago. I was instructed by my recruiter to falsify and omit certain information namely: minor injuries broken arm (no surgery or pins), treatment for ADD when I was a child (it has since been four years or so since I was perscribed anything and six since I've taken anything. Got fingerprinted and arrested that worries me security investigations had the option of different. 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